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Site co-founder and all round SC tragic, Nick no longer writes too much these days but hosts the SC Report each week and looks after most of the site administration.

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BT

Some more Manly up(down)dates, Jurbo on 48! Kapow 84 and AFB 57

MadeInHolland

God these scorers are incompetent, first Mahoney, then Lane now Dwalker. It’s a disgrace. He’s picked up the ball ran forward and drew and passed the defender.

BOB

And they give guys lbs for plays that are called back. Ie Mitchell’s lba for a TKO lb.

Occy

Surely they both lose those points !!

BOB

I bet they don’t

Stebbo

Yeah pretty sub par. Have they given him a TC instead of the ham + cheese?

MadeInHolland

Yeah he’s been given a TC. Clear cut TS/LBA though.

ZZ Top

what about Moses Line break assist and Mau’s line break from the Parra game?

It’s pathetic. News Corp treat their customers with contempt.

Tom Sangster doesn’t say anything because he doesn’t want to bite the hand that feeds him.

MadeInHolland

I have Moses too but he won’t get that. If he was going to he’d have gotten it by now.

ZZ Top

I hate News Corp but enjoy Supercoach. I am conflicted.

If only they treated the game and its participants with respect.

It keeps people like Tom Sangster employed, and also ensures their websites get hits which in turn is good for their advertisers.

In short, I don’t trust them.

MadeInHolland

Hard to blame Sangster for anything tbh. It’s the newscorp scorers that doctor/are incompetent with the stats so they can use them for their articles to talk players up. Sangster is just the face of it, I doubt he has much to do with it at all.

ZZ Top

Yeah I accept that Sangster isn’t to blame.

It just seems the scorers can do whatever they want. No independence, transparency or integrity.

Rant over.

Tommy Smurf Sangsta

Newscorp deliberately manipulating stats for article hits, the Earth is flat and Lizard Men live amongst us!!!!

ZZ Top

Call me crazy, but I hate News Corp.

I won’t get all political on here but you can decide what you believe in.

Tommy Smurf Sangsta

It’s not Sangster’s fault. The fault lies with Vapor Media. The jokers who run SC and Sports Deck Dream Team. If you think SC is a crazy, you should play Dream Team! Haha… They barely bother to correct mistakes and sometimes it feels they just stop scoring players! I’m sure it’s not that way, but it certainly feels like it!

ZZ Top

Vapor Media run the scoring. Very poor.

BOB

Mau’s was clear cut. Gutho never actually broke the line for the Moses lba but based on some of Xerri lbs awarded this year it should have been awarded.

I don't pray to God; I pray to DCE

I think @ZZ Top is referring to Moses’ LBA that put Ma’u through the line.

hilarioususername

Jeez i dont even remember that i’ll have to have a look

BOB

Oh yeah. So Moses is missing a potential 16 points. If only his name was Nathan

ZZ Top

that’s the one I’m referring to. Thank you Flock.

Clear as day.

Oh well, that’s Supercoach. I’ll go back to my cave now. 🙂

hilarioususername

Was that moses to gutho with about 2 mins to go? I am hoping but not confident, wasnt clear cut

I don't pray to God; I pray to DCE

Moses is potentially missing 18 points (at least 10).

hilarioususername

Lets hope theres another review, would love those points

Cheech

It goes both ways. I have 10 points from a linebreak watson didn’t actually make…

BOB

That pisses me off even more that Mau didn’t get one then. Yeah you’d like to think it evens out over the season, still it’s pathetic they can’t get it right.

Simonstar

If you guys recall, Adam Keirghan did the same thing in round 2 and passed to Hiku for a try, and wasn’t even awarded a TC. I guess it falls into the category if its a simple pass and the line is not set then no assist.

heythere

Non owner but put your helmet on Simon! Haha

BOB

TP was awarded a lba for a try that Hass scored but according to the muppets it didn’t deserve even a TC. So he assisted Hass to break the line to score a try but didn’t actually contribute to the try. It makes no sense and proved to me that the scoring is incompetent.

moorey

This round has been one of the worst this year.

SkiddMarx

“ran forward” is a bit generous, but I admit the TS TC thing is crazy. No reason not to use official nrl stats

Bear

Will Hutchinson play 16? Keary listed back rnd 17-18 but not sure how accurate that is for concussion injuries

Trav80

lam also in the PNG squad this week

Bear

Oah forgot about Lam. Will get one of them but if keary is back 16 then it’s a waste.

TurkeySnow

HvH, was keen to hold CNK but do we think he is done and isn’t going to continue to get the attacking stats each week?
– Positives Hodg due back soon
– MOst Running metres in the NRL

– Neagtives Havilli in hok,
– Aiken at hlf
– And Wighton running the ball a lot
– First full season at the back probably tiring out?

Plays Para/Dragons/Tigers/Panthers/NZL/Roosters/storm/Manly/Sharks/NZL

A lot of tough matches there, the one solid game would be against dragons after the bye, but Panthers/Roosters/Storm/MAnly/Sharks are all stingy to FLB

ppomon

I don’t think CNK will be a complete disaster for the run home, but I also don’t see any reason to hold him at this point. He won’t be in your final 17 and probably won’t even be your 5th CTW.

Made plenty of money, price is about to freefall, and people need to sell someone to get in Round 16 players. Seems like a prime candidate to sell.

TurkeySnow

Who are peoples must have:

FRF:

2RF:

CTW:

Currently have:

Fifi/HAss – AFB/Surgess
Lolo/Tapow/Kikau – Murray/Staggs/CHN

Maumalo/Bateman/Nikora/Xerri – Herbert/Naden/CNK

AceVentura

frf : fifi / haas – taupau/tko
2rf: lolo / jurbo / matto – murray
ctw: bateman / nikora / mau / latrell.

Thats the combination im wanting to run with. Maybe have gutho/maumalo as a 5th ctw. Play players depending on matchups / who their opponents are.

Sams seals

Arrow jurbo Latrell matterson are the main ones you are missing post origin.

TurkeySnow

Yeah I am keen on Jurbo and Latrell,

Arrow injured and happy I sold when I did.

Matterson, is he more of a 16 option? Seriously? 74 with a try, when Surgess was hitting that everyone was complaining?

Hakuna Matautia.

Try without a LB. Still ends up with 57 without it which is pretty solid if you ask me.

Backi

Average is 68, he’s a top 4/5 2nd row forward

TurkeySnow

I am not disregarding his am but just questioning if he is over kill for HvH when I have Kikau/Tapow/Surgess (when fit) already? Base isn’t great on Kikau but when fit and in form is a beast scoring wise, Tapow has stepped up last two games and will stay a keeper, sam if he comes back fit will be a nice POD and can find the line off Cook. Jurbo safe 50-65 each week, Murray just keeps on scoring attacking stats can be forgiven for last week and this weeks efforts, and Lolo is a beast given the min. So… Read more »

Sams seals

78 last week in base?

TurkeySnow

Yeah that was solid, but is it maintainable? They were beaten last week

Monty Burns

Wouldn’t bother with Arrow. 6-12 weeks from the weekend. Even best case is going to be after we all (should) have our final teams assembled

Twist

“Must haves” are easy. It’s choosing the “could be good to haves” for your 3/4th FRF and 4th/5th 2RF which are hard.

I am talking ABSOLUTE must-haves here.

FRF: Fifi, Haas
2RF: Lolo, Jurbo
CTW: Bateman, Latrell

IMO, those are the top 2 in each position. The rest have “interchangeable choices” (AFB/Kapow/TKO at FRF, Matto/Murray/Arrow at 2RF, Nikora/Mau at CTW).

TurkeySnow

AGree like this, So AFB/Tapow/Surgess I have as frf back up/cover.

Murray is my 3rd 2rf after SOO and when back to normal min say, then Kikau as a POD on match ups/Sam similar when fit or tapow if he continues last two weeks form.

Nikora 3rd at CTW, need to grab Latrell I feel and then I have Maumalo/Xerri as POD plays but looking at Jimmy/Burns

Fungus

For the run home – current players in capital. My pack is close to set I think.

FRF: FIFITA, HAAS – AFB, TKO
2RF: LOLO, TURBO, MURRAY – KIKAU, KLEMMER/Matto
CTW: BATEMAN, NIKORA, MARSTERS, Mitchell – XERRI, CNK/Gutho/Mau, TOO

lobs

Can someone provide the ownership % of turbo

Thurstonville

6% and about too skyrocket

Battler

Dumb to buy him straight after Origin with his injury history this year IMO. Could easily be rested, could easily re injure it either in Origin or backing up, etc.

Backi

If he plays like he did yesterday he only needs to play every 2nd game haha

BOB

Or could easily score 160 as your captain against the Titans. If you don’t have Teddy and RTS he’s a must buy for rd 15 if he plays.

Hakuna Matautia.

If there are no more updates I’ve just tied one of my H2H’s 999 a piece. What are the odds???

TurkeySnow

It would be amazing if it was the guy who commented on your post this morning with the same image

OnTheBus

1305 not sure if there are more diwndates , hopefully no injuries this weekend

Battler

992. What a pathetic week that should see red.

I was intending on going all in on r16, but Turbo’s performance has me second guessing going Walker to RTS.

perrin_07

Is there a clear sign as to what players get the updates?

May as well just bring them in. May be an extra 5ppg average

MadeInHolland

Nathan Cleary for one.

BOB

It’s a strong tactic. Not sure how we find out.

SkiddMarx

I was thinking the same thing, and I’m 100% sure that an audit would show this linked to the vapour media guys teams.

Next year I’m spending the first 8 weeks finding the regular unicorn points and jumping on. Solid strategy.

Benny's Jets

prices have changed

I don't pray to God; I pray to DCE

Unbelievable. I’m missing points in at least three games.

perrin_07

I turned my app on and I had 4 players

BT

haha same here. Saw a score of 384 LOL

perrin_07

i had 254 haha

Fungus

Where are you guys seeing the price changes? I tried with my app but it doesn’t show anything?

BT

Team value in round 13 on the History tab is different to the team value on the field tab.

Chiefs luck

Top 4 CTW??

TurkeySnow

Think it has been said to death:

1. Bateman
2. Latrell (between his good and average games)
3. Nikora/Mau (Nikora more upside IF* SJ stays fit and healthy with their run home)
4. POD Maumalo/Xerri/Nofo/Gutho WHoever

BOB

Bateman, Latrell, Ma’u, Nikora and then POD up.

Blood Nutt

Where is Mau’s line break scorers ! You are leaving it very late ! 2 behind in a head to head

TurkeySnow

Done mate, prices have changed good luck getting those points

Blood Nutt

Well done if you captained Tommy ! I watched that game without watching the scores ! Thought he was on about 100 ha ha. Maybe scoring is tougher than I thought ! Gee they have botched some calls this week though.

TurkeySnow

He looked at hlf pace still concerned of his hammy, he was hit by two players at one point trying to break through to follow a kick I think and looked ginger. I was so concerned, then went on to score a break away field try and set up another! Beast, Happy I sold Papy>Turbo 2 weeks ago

The Myth

So I didn’t see the eels/broncos game so am unaware of the plays missed by the scorers. Anyone know the minute they occurred by any chance?

I was a lane owner last week.

I played Gutho, Moses and Ma’u this week.

Should I be more or less pissed?

RussOKC

Moses passed to Mau who went through a gap and was tackled by the fullback behind the line. Clear cut linebreak.
Full disclosure I am a Moses owner

hilarioususername

Just watched it. Not clear cut as pangai i think it was had a hand on him.

BOB

Moses puts Ma’u through a big hole which looked pretty clear cut. Late in the first half I think it was. Ma’u breaks the line and gets to Boyd while being tackled from behind and throws an offload to Mahoney who if he catches scores.The other one was late in the match. One of those ones where they don’t actually break the line as it was against a retreating defensive line. Still Gutho runs a long way and they’ve been paying them all year. And yes you should be pissed.

Long Dayz Knight

I have Mau. The defender in the line still had a hand on him. So, no true line break?

BOB

Yeah I just watched it. The inside defender did get to him but after he broke the line. Not as clear cut as I thought. 33minute mark it was. Edit nah it’s a lb. He went through 2 defenders and then Pangai who wasn’t one of those 2 defenders comes across and gets a hand on him.

I don't pray to God; I pray to DCE

Moses-Ma’u play happened roughly five minutes before halftime.

TL

Less: you sold Lane haha
More: robbed points off Moses, Ma’u and even Gutho…

The Myth

Just watched it.

I shouldn’t of. I’m pissed again. Second one I can understand but Moses-Mau man. Compared to some that have been given this year that’s a joke.

BOB

Yeah it’s bs mate.

The Myth

If you owned Moses + Mau vs a Latrell + TKO owner…that’s a 36 point swing from poor scoring.

And I’ve defended their scoring on here so often. But the last 2 weeks they’ve just gone against precedents. It’s wrong.

Sydney Rorters

Are we all talking about the one where Ma’u gets dragged down by Pangai 5m behind where the line was set? Consider the same play occurring around half way.

Pretty easily justifiable as not being a line break

The Myth

I think the anger is more so due to some that have been given to Xerri/Latrell previously. In comparison he broke the line way more than they did.

Sydney Rorters

Fair enough – I can understand some frustration around inconsistency.. But this play in isolation, not a line break and has been ruled correctly.

I don't pray to God; I pray to DCE

It was a clear line-break. No need to troll.

Sydney Rorters

Troll?

Did Ma’u get taken to the ground by the fullback? How far behind where the initial defensive line was set did this occur?

I don't pray to God; I pray to DCE

A player doesn’t need to be tackled by the fullback to constitute a line-break. All they’ve got to do is break the initial defensive line. It doesn’t matter who ends up making the covering tackle.

Ma’u runs through the defensive line by beating the defenders on his inside and outside, and TP comes over and makes the covering tackle.

The scorers missed it, live, and on review.

Sydney Rorters

The defensive line is set roughly at the 15m mark, and pangai makes initial contact with him around the 12m mark. The line is staggered, the broncos defender on the left of Ma’u pushed up to Moses, but he never makes it past Pangai.

Watch it in slo-motion – looks very clear to me.

I don't pray to God; I pray to DCE

comment imagecomment imagecomment image

Image 1: Moses has the ball and is shaping to pass to Ma’u; Su’A and Milford are standing in the line, right next to each other

Image 2: Ma’u now has possession of the ball and runs right through Su’A and Milford

Image 3: Ma’u has cleared the defensive line

That is the very definition of a line-break. It can’t be more definitive than that.

Sydney Rorters

3: cleared the defensive line?

He’s in line with Pangai? Who then dives and tackles him

I don't pray to God; I pray to DCE

What part of ‘it doesn’t matter who the covering tackler is’, do you not understand?

If a player runs directly through the defenders on the inside and outside it’s a linebreak.

He doesn’t need to get past every single defender in the defensive line – just the players directly on his inside and outside.

And not that it matters, but TP was behind him when he made the tackle.

Sydney Rorters

So if 2 defenders shoot up further than the rest of the defensive line, and the attacking players gets beyond them, he has broken the line?

If Ma’u stops dead in your 3rd image, has he made a line break in your mind?

I don't pray to God; I pray to DCE

They didn’t shoot up ahead of the rest of the defensive line.

Can you not see they’re in line with TPJ and Carrigan in the first image on the 20m line?

Ma’u breaks through the attempted tackles of Su’A and Milford, comes out the other side, and thus, has broken the defensive line.

Ma’u doesn’t need to go past every single player (sans FB) for it to be a linebreak.

Sydney Rorters

He doesnt get beyond Pangai who is tracking across the defensive line and thus, has not broken the defensive line.

Sydney Rorters

Based on your interpretation, there has probably been another 25 line breaks that haven’t been awarded so far this season.

I don't pray to God; I pray to DCE

Not only does he get beyond Pangai (TP tackles him from behind), but he doesn’t need to. All he has to do to break the line is to get past the defender directly on his inside and on his outside, not every single other player. I don’t know why you’re having a hard time comprehending this, Elliott. Outside backs track across the defensive line when a player makes a break and they’re infront of the attacking player when they make a covering tackle (due to a staggered line), yet it’s still a linebreak because the attacking player runs through the… Read more »

Sydney Rorters

Who is Elliott?

“All he has to do to break the line is get past the defender directly on his inside and on his outside, not every single other player.” Again, this just isn’t accurate.

Perhaps not the best choice of words when I say “beyond” – by this I mean Pangai affects the tackle. Yes, he is in front of Pangai, however Pangai attempts the tackle from almost exactly (perhaps 1-2m) where the defensive line was set.

I don't pray to God; I pray to DCE

You are Elliott. It is accurate, Elliott, you’re only choosing to say otherwise to be argumentative. In general, that’s what a linebreak is, it doesn’t mean there can’t be exceptions, just that it’s the rule. You haven’t chosen the best choice of words all throughout this exchange, Elliott. You shouldn’t be looking at where the ref has set the 10m line, because that’s completely ignoring all context of what happens on the play. The defensive line can just keep moving backwards and Ma’u could run 10-15m past where the ref set the line and yet still not break the line.… Read more »

Sydney Rorters

What is with the name calling?

Genuinely trying to have an adult discussion with you..

“In general, that’s what a linebreak is, it doesn’t mean there can’t be exceptions, just that it’s the rule.” Where is this stated?

Sydney Rorters

Usually a good sign that an argument has been lost when the name calling comes out.. I’m sure you’d agree.

Sydney Rorters

You never answered this: If Ma’u stops dead in your 3rd image, has he made a line break?

Sydney Rorters

“If a player runs directly through the defenders on the inside and outside it’s a linebreak” – this is incredibly over-simplistic and inaccurate.

Sydney Rorters

Have a look at the play where Cotric hurts his ankle… Your definition just doesnt work.

moorey

Yep that’s a LB. I hope it causes a real problem at the end. Just think if 3 players are aiming to win OA in the last round are separated by low points and the shoddy scoring decides the winner. Hmmmm

Sydney Rorters

Are you referring to the Cotric example? It wasnt awarded a LB on any nrl scoring website that I can find.

This “rule” about inside and outside defenders shot to pieces using an example from this round. I prefer to use real information rather than name-calling and making silly claims like “you haven’t chosen the best choice of words all throughout this exchange” without any supporting examples.

Dragon4life

Didn’t see the Parra game. Was Lane just unlucky with no play his way or was he a dud? Injured? Thx all

BOB

A standard lane game with no attacking stats. He was putting in just not his night.

Monty Burns

I’d be selling to a r16 option, if that’s why you’re asking

Dragon4life

Thx boys. Yep. Trying to prioritise the trades. I think he has done his job for me – I kept hold of him longer than I thought as he seemed to keep getting decent scores. But the inconsistency hurts.

kegs kings

Total 15908. Was 389th before my crappy 1002. Will i stay in the top 1000. Been holding trades 19 left hope this decision works this year as i ran out last year.

johnnyboy1912

Hey guys,

Please help! I cannot get it right this year.

Hooker: Smith (radley)

Frf: haas, tapau (surgess, whitbread)

2RF: Lolo, Jurbo, Nikora (bateman, staggs, tuponunia)

Hb: Pearce, (morgan)

5/8: ponga (d walker)

Ctw: xerri, CNK, gutho, to’o (isaako, herbert, burns)

Fb: teddy (papi)

1.2mill INB.

Tossed up between teddy and turbo last week and the rest is history.

perrin_07

you dont have fifi.
you need nikora and bateman in the centres.

ppomon

Is Kerr still our best bet for a one-and-done Round 16 nuff in the forwards?

Edgy Brah

Prefer Sandor Earl

Battler

Only lost 213 ranks with a 992. Thank God that week is done and dusted.