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Site co-founder and all round SC tragic, Nick no longer writes too much these days but hosts the SC Report each week and looks after most of the site administration.

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    kmac
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    Jacob Host cheapie potential??? 80 minute performance this week.. any consistency week in week out with those sort of minutes?

    Shanky
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    Haven’t looked right into it but I doubt it with Mary. Probably just more workload because of origin affected players.

    Monty Burns
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    The Ginger Ninja is out for ~ 2 months with a broken leg, this pushes Lawrie into starting prop and means there is even more workload to go around. Especially with running Field and Robson in the 17 (so McInnes is spending time in the backrow)

    TurkeySnow
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    Luciana was dropped due to late to training, Field was on the bench I guess to rest Hunt could be different this week.

    Shanky
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    Eying off tko, sj and graham next few trades. Gets me rid of surgess, moses and gutho and gets nikora back down in ctw. Gutho is ok but I’m chopping him, ctw will be strong without him. Bateman, cnk, mau, nikora, xeri, herbert, too.

    BunnyAllStars
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    Getting rid of Moses??

    Shanky
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    Idk with him he lucked out with junk points on the weekend and done his job for round 12. I’m all aboard the sj round 16 train now I think. Moses’s draw isn’t that good………… for him anyway

    BillyAbelaLFC
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    Eels have an unbelievable draw from round 17 onwards.

    Shanky
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    I’m definitely not holding him for that long, he’s going for a rd 16 player for sure, then calker/ponga for the run home. Cleary is my Hb so unfortunately there are better options out there at 5/8.

    BillyAbelaLFC
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    Fair enough. I bought him this round as cover for both HFB and 5/8 for origin then play on matchups over Cleary in the run home. Will sit at 5/8 till i decide to get Munster/Walker.

    Shanky
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    Yeah It’s definitely food for thought to hold for now I guess. Did you sell for brown?

    BillyAbelaLFC
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    Sold Carty to him.

    Dezz
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    Moses is a keeper at Hfb over Cleary this year, definitely wouldn’t be selling him.

    Shanky
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    Yeah des thats definitely an option to flick him up and flick Cleary, but sj is coming in one way or another. Might be poddish too after many jumped the gun on moylan with ponga out.

    Dezz
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    I’m hoping Dylan brown is back this week and makes me some money to upgrade to SJ before r16.

    A Flock Of Sea Eagles
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    There’s also the chance that Cleary is rested after the next Origin as well, so moving Moses to HFB and trading Cleary might be the wiser move.

    rockafella
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    DT early mail is suggesting Teddy and Cordner will be rested this week..

    Monty Burns
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    but they play the dogs cry cry cry

    Paddy
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    Per statement Rob made before they lost to Panthers.

    rockafella
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    Long year mate .
    Good a game as any to rest them if they do .

    Paddy
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    Simply giving everyone the full picture of the information you are providing, not guidance.

    BOB
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    I took that as him resting them after origin 3. Resting them so they are fresh for origin is odd.

    Luey
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    It makes sense considering it’s only a 7 day turnaround between the Roosters game next week and origin 2.

    BOB
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    What about the 3 day turnaround between origin 3 and rd 17. That seems the logically time to rest them to me. Robbo is the coach of the roosters not NSW.

    Occy
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    That’s what they mentioned on the fox footy show a little while ago…after SOO3

    Luey
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    Perhaps they rest them then too? Resting them this week ahead of a 7 day turn around into origin 2 probably reduces their chances of picking up certain injuries involving heavy workloads. One game in the scheme of an entire season is nothing.

    FT
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    Think it’s just purely to reduce their workload over this period

    Sonnysideup
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    If this is true……
    Was really looking fwd to listening to all the non Teddy owners cries of terror this week lol

    A Flock Of Sea Eagles
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    The Teddy-Deathriders: Chapter Flock is back! cool

    Sonnysideup
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    lol lol lol lol

    A Flock Of Sea Eagles
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    Teddy might miss three of the next four rounds. All rested up for me to bring him in, in R18. cool

    Time For Plan B
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    You all aboard the RTS/Turbo combo too? There’s plenty of room

    A Flock Of Sea Eagles
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    I’ve had RTS since R1, and brought in Turbo this week. But once the Origin period is over, I’ll have to dissolve my chapter and bring in Tedesco for the run home.

    lol

    Sonnysideup
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    Given teddy’s Third on total points and avg after the first half of the season I’m claiming victory over the Teddy Death riders chapter razz

    A Flock Of Sea Eagles
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    He won’t be anywhere near third on total points after the completion of R16 and possibly R17, and this is where I get up after the eight-count and get my TKO.

    razz

    Sonnysideup
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    The way RTS is going Teddy will still be ahead of him by then wink

    A Flock Of Sea Eagles
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    Sadly, you’re probably going to be right. cry

    FT
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    You end up starting with Widdop Flocka?

    A Flock Of Sea Eagles
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    And ended up trading him out right after R1. lol

    FT
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    Haha same, except he lasted a whole 2 rounds and 40 odd points for me lol

    BOB
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    Yep especially with RTS playing the Titans. Flocking bullshit!

    OnTheBus
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    He is a sell now wink

    The Rookie
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    Dean Ritchie
    LATE BREAKING EXCLUSIVE: Tim Mannah poised to leave Parramatta and sign with Wests Tigers as early as tomorrow.

    Paddy
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    Well this is confusing.

    A Flock Of Sea Eagles
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    It’s like the Tigers are intent on being average, forever.

    I know this is most likely to replace either Packer or Matulino, but they’re just running on the treadmill with all these insipid players.

    Paddy
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    The ex-Tigers-playing-at-another-NRL-team-starting-13 would be very strong. Premiership contender.

    Dan
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    Why would the tigers be interested in mannah? Weird move

    OnTheBus
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    Lebanon pack now , good for international connection but bad for the tiges

    zen
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    My chat is about Surgess.How long is he out for & will this turn his season around after surgery.

    He started well in rounds 1 to 4 generating cash scoring 4 tries. Since, he has played 9 games scoring less than 60 points on 7 occasions.

    Do I downgrade or upgrade him. (He’s lost a heap of cash)

    Any advice.

    Paddy
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    Could only be argued to be genuine keeper at FRF. If you’ve got 3 better ones, trade away.

    zen
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    Have Fifita Hass & Afb

    BillyAbelaLFC
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    Yeah those 3 + Taupau are comfortably ahead for me. With Klemmer/TKO/JFH/Tolman slightly ahead of Surgess.

    A Flock Of Sea Eagles
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    Surgess was averaging 70 points up until a month ago (right about until he had issues with his shoulder). He’s right up there with the best FRF (Fifita, Haas, and AFB), and ahead of the next group of FRFs.

    He’s arguably got the highest ceiling at FRF too. And he’s a dual which gives him added value over Fifi, Haas and AFB.

    BillyAbelaLFC
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    Highest ceiling yes but over a season not a keeper anymore. We’ve seen that since round 3 (When everyone rushed to get him) he has 3 scores over 58…

    A Flock Of Sea Eagles
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    Why isn’t he a keeper when he put up keeper scores when healthy?

    He’s already talked about how his performances have suffered over the last 4-5 weeks because of how much pain he’s been in, which has obviously affected his SC output.

    He’ll be mentally/physically rested (an added edge over other FRF keepers) to rip in and get back to the type of performances he produced at the start of the season.

    BillyAbelaLFC
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    But he had 1 good game at the start of the season thats it. 1 score over 80 all year.

    Looking at the 58+ scores (Keeper scores imo) all season including this round.

    Burgess – 5
    AFB – 6
    Haas – 6
    Taupau – 6
    JFH – 7
    Fifita – 8
    Klemmer – 9
    Tolman – 9

    Surgess 5 just doesn’t compete

    A Flock Of Sea Eagles
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    Why use an arbitrary set of numbers that clearly undervalue him just to manipulate the argument, as well as not taking into account that he’s been playing injured for the last 4-5 weeks? Of course, he doesn’t compete when he’s not healthy. But when he WAS healthy, he was averaging 70 points over the first nine games (I too can manipulate numbers), that’s better than every FRF not named AFB and Haas. Is averaging 70 points over nine rounds not FRF keeper material? You don’t think his injury has affected his SC output, after he specifically stated: “If this was… Read more »

    BillyAbelaLFC
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    Im using numbers that come from the start of the season. He was healthy at some point earlier this year. He literally has 1 gigantic score bringing his average up. If he doesnt score 100+ again his average from when he returns to when the season ends will plummet. He has the best upside but players with low base and upside are not keepers. They are guns. Surgess ofcourse competes with Tolman on an SC front. Neither are keepers. Both are guns. Similar category in that they are outside the top 4 in Fifita, Haas, AFB, Taupau. If Burgess isn’t… Read more »

    A Flock Of Sea Eagles
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    Why are you still continuing to ignore that he’s been playing injured over the last 4-5 weeks? Why are you not factoring that into the equation of his SC output?

    Taupau is averaging 61 points this season, and yet you’re telling me he’s in the top-4 FRF ahead of Surgess, who even with a significantly reduced average due to injury is averaging 63 points.

    I mean is there any more that needs to be said?

    A Flock Of Sea Eagles
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    The question here would be:

    When Surgess returns, do you think he’s more likely to produce scores that he did over the first 9 rounds (healthy), or over the last 4-5 rounds (injured)?

    Living on the edge
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    “The only FRF’s averaging over 70 are Haas and AFB”. There is another gun FRF named Fifita that has also had injury affected scores that you’re forgetting about.

    A Flock Of Sea Eagles
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    Add him to that list as well.

    If that’s the only thing you could nitpick out of my argument, I guess my point is made. smile

    BillyAbelaLFC
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    Do i think he will score 6 tries in 9 games again? hell no. Average will drop. Unless he has another round 2 performance. Scores of 68, 77, 69 and 72s with tries are not keeper scores and the scores without tries are borderline gun at best.

    Living on the edge
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    If you want to clutch at reasons for why that round 2 performance could’ve been an outlier.
    1. Surgess loves performing against his old foe Graham
    2. That Dragons forward pack was very very weak. No Frizell, K.Sims or JDB.

    A Flock Of Sea Eagles
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    But his R2 performance is what he’s capable of producing. That’s what he has over other FRFs (not named Fifita), is the ability to break out big scores. That’s why you have him in your team. You’re also overlooking the fact that Haas, AFB, Fifita,, Taupau, and all the other FRFs you mentioned all have fluctuating minutes from week to week, especially on the run home when minutes will be more carefully managed, yet Surgess will play 80 minutes regularly, especially since he’ll be rested. You keep talking about how Taupau’s a keeper, yet over the past nine weeks, he’s… Read more »

    BillyAbelaLFC
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    AFB has 2 tons, Haas 1 ton. Both have upside too. Haas gets consistent 60+ mins when not returning from origin. Taupau 47-53 mins Last 5 weeks. Okay Taupau is clearly the issue here. He is the worst of the 4 but imo is better than everyone else i named. Minutes are low but with AFB back he looks far better in his time on the field and has a great ppm. Surgess would have to mimic that crazy try scoring he had earlier in the season. Can’t see it happening. Who knows how he recovers from this injury aswell.… Read more »

    BOB
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    Let it go boys. Both of your arguments are sound. I don’t think we can judge who is right or wrong until after rd 25. It will come down to what attacking stats Surgess can produce on his return. I think I’ll be in team Surgess for the run home only because there is no value in selling him at present. If he was 600k I’d definitely be selling him.

    The Myth
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    Let’s go over that first 9 rounds. 6 tries, 1 TS, 6 LB, 1 LBA. 69.2 average. 3 x 70+ with one monster. 4 x sub 60 scores. When he comes back there will be roughly the same amount of rounds to go. So that’s the amount of attacking stats he needs for a 69 average. Now early season you’ll play a guy like surgess every single week, so the down weeks aren’t as big of a worry because the big week really makes up for it. But is he going to be a starter every week in your 17?… Read more »

    BillyAbelaLFC
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    If you aren’t playing him every week and you need to pick his good games, he isn’t a keeper. Hes a gun with upside. Good points in your summary.

    A Flock Of Sea Eagles
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    This doesn’t make much sense since you’re not going to play all your FRF every week.

    You’re only going to pick 2-3 FRF, so the same logic applies to AFB, Fifita, Haas, and Taupau (especially), you’re going to have to pick their good games too.

    And again, I’d rather take my chances with Surgess in my 17, knowing he can put up a big score, than put my faith in someone like Taupau who has considerably less chance of going big.

    The Myth
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    Taupau is a tier below. He’s not a gun this year.

    I think those 3 have shown enough to play week in week out.

    Pot Luck
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    If Burgess didn’t score 125 against the Dragons in Round 2 (with 2 tries in 1 match he probably will never score again) no one would be talking about him. If he doesn’t score a try he scores below 50 on any week. Might as well put an (R) on Sivo and you’d get the same result most weeks with a higher ceiling.

    BOB
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    Back rd 17 or 18. Hold if you have decent numbers for rd 16, sell if you need extra numbers for 16 IMO.

    OnTheBus
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    I’m leaning to holding if I can manage him as a 4th forward . Scoring 50s as an ae and possible pod is a good position to be in otherwise nuff if you can find a prop that plays rnd 16

    Sonnysideup
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    I’m holding on a gut feel that he comes back rested and firing for the run home and is a pod at that point due to trade shortages to get him back in

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    Well looks like I went to bed and missed all the fun. Safe to say that Surgess is one of the more polarising I players this year I know which camp I’m in and I know why. My bad if I’m wrong. I’d much rather Surgess in my team than bloody Moses like some of you thrill seekers have done lately And before anyone comes at me yes I know it’s a different position where they all rely on attacking stats blah blah blah but he’s a proven cat in a shit team who is just as likely to put… Read more »

    A Flock Of Sea Eagles
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    Moses is a strange comparison, indeed. Especially considering that in the context of the game, they’re similar players in their respective positions, type of players who you need in your final squad as backups and/or in your 17 on favourable matchups. p.s. Moses couldn’t have been better for those who brought him in for R12 cover (scoring a ton), and then backing it up with a 80-point performance, with all the carnage at 5/8th (especially those who had Ponga and CWalker and they’ve received ZERO points from them over the last two rounds), and in the halves, in general. You’re… Read more »

    Sonnysideup
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    “If you got lucky and you know it clap your hands” lol

    A Flock Of Sea Eagles
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    If you’re implying that people were lucky bringing in Moses because of the scores he’s put up, I’d say it’s less luck, and more great planning and capitalizing on one of the few times that a high risk/high reward option is actually a low risk/high reward option (facing a severely understrength Souths squad at Bankwest – that game had Moses ton written all over it).

    If you’re implying that people are lucky, in the generality of the game, then I’d guess we’d all need to clap everytime something went right. razz

    Sonnysideup
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    I clap every time a risk comes off smile
    But you still got lucky the calculated risk came off with Moses razz

    Boffa
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    If you can afford to hold, I’d hold. End of story!!

    TurkeySnow
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    I am looking to maybe hold him, have Tapow (concerned with until again this week score), Tatola (should start but has started all year), CHN (ha Should start but again plays for boring “defensive” dogs! under Pay) and Staggs (who could go down to ctw if I choose to sell Allan!) I was looking at JFH but if that is the normal, him moving to prop then I may hold off, Also TKO but could be overkill when Jurbo will be cheap next week and is a must for run home. Kikau looked great and was close to another try/lb/tb… Read more »

    Paddy
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    Looks like BBrail could be set to come through next week and replace Jayden, who’s going to miss 2 weeks. hooooo boy, that sweet hold let’s do it fella

    via NRLPhysio and ZacBailey14

    A Flock Of Sea Eagles
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    Best news of the round! I knew we’d all be rewarded for holding at some point!

    Paddy
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    Might get another 10k out of him before we have to trade cool

    Living on the edge
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    Imagine if it was 3….

    A Flock Of Sea Eagles
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    Here’s hoping that BBrailey does enough to keep his starting spot. I can definitely see it, considering he’ll be there next year and Jayden won’t.

    POD Hunter
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    Great, I have to briefly think my no brainer Brailey to CS9 trade

    A Flock Of Sea Eagles
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    I was all set to make the same trade this week as well. I’m glad I can hold off on it as it potentially gives me an extra number for R16, and it’ll give me more funds to play with.

    Dan
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    With surgess out is tatola likely to see more minutes? Was thinking of selling this week but might hold for a few more weeks if he sees a bit more game time.

    FT
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    Ethan Lowe just subs straight in so not really i dont think

    Dan
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    Looks like Tom Burgess out as well, so more likely to fill that role I would think.

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    Ah yeah true, you’d be right mate.

    rockafella
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    Will for one of the burgess boys ..
    At least starting

    RussOKC
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    Thoughts on RTS? Plan was always to get him before this titans game with a nice three game run. But now he will have a huge BE and Nikorima seems to be negatively impacting him by reducing his touches in the attacking 20. Im thinking of waiting another week to see how he goes and for another price drop

    OnTheBus
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    Warriors draw is terrible and the way they are playing they won’t beat the titans .
    If you think he scores well then I wouldn’t worry about his BE and go for the points

    FT
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    The Warriors upcoming draw is Titans, Penrith, Knights in the bye and Brisbane coming off origin (we just saw how they played yesterday). I dont think that’s terrible OTB.

    OnTheBus
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    Every game is hard for the warriors mate

    FT
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    Yeah but you said it’s a terrible draw, it’s quite the opposite haha

    OnTheBus
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    Let’s see how they go , if pennies Broncs and knights are easy then what did you leave for tiges dogs eels lol

    FT
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    Those teams in the circumstances they’ll be in are definitely on the easier side.

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    Also RTS got his highest score of the year with Niko there. I think Green is the one hindering Roger.

    OnTheBus
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    Bye round against the knights packed house and in form , I remember earlier in the year Nathan browns plan was kicking into touch to reduce RTS touches and he scored poorly

    Panthers starting to fire , warriors and dogs are out of form imo

    FT
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    They’ll be without Ponga and Klem, also the Warriors usually beat them. Even then, it’s on the bye round and with RTS’s coverage whatever he scores won’t leave you too disappointed.

    OnTheBus
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    Let’s hope he doesn’t score like Allen did lol

    Pearce kicking game hurts rts , ponga and klem not a factor when it comes to RTS imo

    FT
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    48 isn’t too bad and you’d take that in round 16. They used the same tactic last year and he scored 89 without a try or TS. But we’ll see how it goes mate.

    RussOKC
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    Yeah that’s probably true. I think niko + green means more sharing for RTS

    TurkeySnow
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    they just aren’t utalising him in the 20m attack zone! the warriors look lost there! could have sealed that game in the first hlf 2-3times but end up scoring no points! Niko runs himself too often, Maumalo was open a second time and Niko nearly over ran him then ran back inside.

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    Agree TS Niko looked alright running the ball but his no look passes to the wingers that resulted in turnovers were bad, Warriors don’t complete there sets at a high enough % to get in the opposition 20 lately and even when they do RTS wasn’t being used. His next few weeks look excellent so hopefully they can find a way to use him a bit more.

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    1078 took me up to 507th place. Very happy with that result.

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