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    Cahoots
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    Thoughts on Molo and Tetevano’s minutes? Will they increase?

    grande212
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    Probably both yes.
    Molo more consistently 30+, with Moose playing 60mins and MrClean 50 avg.
    But Tetevano in a starting role could easily play 50mins. Depends if the Riff will stick with JFH’s prop/lock role, as that would have bench repercussions.

    Rabbit
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    Howdy All..first time Draft player here..Could anyone supply me with a few simple tactical tips so that I dont make a complete drongo out of myself…thanks

    Semisonic
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    I always pick the specialist positions first. In a 50-50 call between a 2RF and a Hooker for instance, I’ll take the hooker as there’s more variety of the forwards.

    CTW’s are also a dime a dozen. If you can jag a gun at some justifiable point, sure, but I tend to wait on them too.

    Rabbit
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    Thank you.

    Blood Nutt
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    HI guys, looking for some help. Does anyone know what side Ramien played on two years ago ? He wore the 3 jersey but I can’t actually recall which side he was on.

    Semisonic
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    He’s a right side centre. Should be outside SJ and Nikora

    Blood Nutt
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    Thanks. So he played on the right when he was at the sharks two years ago ? Even though he was named in the 3 ?

    BillyAbelaLFC
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    Correct.

    Mr Perfect
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    Ramien right, Xerri left

    Blood Nutt
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    Thanks MP. This year yes, I predict that too. Was more trying to remember what side he was on two years ago

    Gregjm
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    He was right side 2 years ago. And numbers have absolutely no indication of side of field, be they wingers, centres, 2nd rowers or halves. Sorry, but just a Pet hate of mine is seeing people use numbers when arguing sides

    dropya
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    PSA,but please don’t shoot the messenger!!!

    Long story short, my nephew is a Illawarra junior that goalkicks for the junior rep teams and his Dad has asked the club if he can organise extra goalkicking training. Message has come back that Corey Norman will be able to make himself available to help out, which to me is a great act making himself available for the juniors!
    Anyway, the email goes on to mention that he will be the clubs no. 1 goalkicker this year.

    If true, surely this rules out Lomax as an option without goalkicking? Does Corey become relevant?

    BillyAbelaLFC
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    Very interesting indeed. I wasn’t keen on Lomax anyway but if he is not kicking he is irrelevant for SC.

    Waka Flocka Flame
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    On one hand, it does seem strange that the team’s best goalkicker doesn’t have the duties, but on the other, I guess it makes sense that they don’t want to overload him in a position like FB, where he’s essentially playing his first fulltime season in 1st grade.

    The Charity Shield should reveal all.

    Bear
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    Lomax is still relevant without the gk, the gk is just an added bonus. He’s priced at a 32 av, it won’t be that hard for him to av mid 40 at some stage from FB without the gk.

    Waka Flocka Flame
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    While he’s still somewhat relevant (as we still don’t know how he’ll score in the #1), his value drops considerably by 8-10 points give or take, which is about 100k profit. I think it’s more than just an added bonus, it’s pretty much the difference between picking him or not.

    BillyAbelaLFC
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    Paying 320k of starting cash for a ctw for a hopeful mid 40s average at some point? Ofcourse thats not worth it.

    Bear
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    Which other CTW valued at that price, or under is guaranteed more then mid 40 av? Unfortunately we’re not spoiled for choice there and not expecting great things from those players anyway.

    Waka Flocka Flame
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    Any player who strings a few games of attacking stats together, which literally could be any player who’s named to start in R1.

    Mr Perfect
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    nobody is guaranteed anything. Also to correct your point above lomax is priced at 35 average not 32. a 10 point average diff is about $100k based off starting prices atm.

    Kicking is the diff between him making 200k and 100k, or potentially getting 20+ in a game which the dragons win by a large margin.

    I’d prefer to downgrade to a cheapie CTW and use the extra cash to upgrade elsewhere.

    Bear
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    Which cheapie? there’s only a handful to choose from already out of Sailor/Saab, Moga, Best, Broncs winger, Doueihi ect. If you have those players in your team already, Lomax still an option in saving cash at ctw.

    Mr Perfect
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    yea but right now im not running any of those guys bar best, so it would be a downgrade for me

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    im still interested, could be flicked for a cheapie if they come flooding in. But that’s a big IF!

    BOB
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    Agree Bear. I’m not getting all the lomax hate. We’ve hardly seen him play. He’s still a decent purchase without the goal kicking. Likely to carve up the Tigers in wk 1. I’ll be sticking strong if all we’ve got are a bunch of 300k wingers and journeymen to plug into our ctws. The kids got talent!

    Mr Perfect
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    Huge if true, Lomax without goals would be trap of the year. If norman kicks during trials would be a huge opportunity to zag away from lomax

    BOB
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    Trap of the year hardly. He plays in the most SC friendly position there is and is 300k.

    Waka Flocka Flame
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    He does play in the most SC friendly position, but that doesn’t mean he’ll benefit from it. Look at the likes of Meaney and DWZ, who were completely irrelevant when playing at FB. Even when Widdop played at FB, his scores dropped off from when he was playing at 5/8th. To me, style of play indicates whether or not a player benefits from playing in the #1, which is typically those with high work-rates on attack, dynamic-fast runners, and/or playmakers, and from what we’ve seen from Lomax, he isn’t any of those things. There’s a lot of question marks for… Read more »

    Aizen1986
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    CNK last year was a great example of regardless of pedigree, a huge level of workrate and involvement lead to be being relevant

    BillyAbelaLFC
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    2nd year in he went to a different club playing a different position. It really isn’t too comparable.

    Aizen1986
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    I wasn’t comparing situations, just commenting on involvement/workrate

    Bear
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    Lomax second year in, playing in a new position (Hopefully). I can see how it can be comparable.

    BillyAbelaLFC
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    Lomax second year in is playing a position he played the season before at the same club with expectation and competition from Field etc.

    CNK 2nd year in moved countries/club and a debut at fullback in the NRL with 0 competition and very low expectations.

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    CNK killed in the trials re base about 40 . We all jumped on. Xmas come early. Drags tried to involve Dufty who was hot and cold. Lomax should not be ruled out at this stage

    Bear
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    Lomax did get 44 in base in his 1 game at fb last year. Yes a very small sample size but shows the work rate can be there. Not saying he’s a must have, great cheapie but he can still be a relevant pick at his price.

    BillyAbelaLFC
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    Lomax made 20 tackle that game that’s why his base was so high. Extremely unlikely to average close to that over a season considering he averaged only 8 last season (including centre) with this huge outlier in there.

    Bear
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    How longs a piece of string? lol

    Waka Flocka Flame
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    He played at centre in that game after Lafai was injured after 16 minutes, hence the 20 tackles. That’s his B+P when playing at centre, which IMO, is the best SC position for him.

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    Big wraps on Drinkwater last year at FB for Cows……………

    Waka Flocka Flame
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    And that’s another good example too.

    You can still have attacking flair, be a dynamic runner, and have playmaking ability, but if your team ain’t shit on attack, then you’re not going to be relevant either.

    I imagine Drinkwater’s scores would’ve looked a lot different had he played for the Storm instead.

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    The trap is judging a guy from his first 10 games out of football. I hope everyone jumps off and gets on Mann, Brenko and Shibashit. They’ll all be lucky if they are playing first grade by rd 5. I’ll be sticking with the young gun, playing fb, who will be in the side long term, has a chance of taking over the goal kicking at anytime and plays rd 12.

    BillyAbelaLFC
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    I have Lomax definitely ahead of Brenko and Shiba even without GK just had no room for either 3 atm in this iteration.

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    I was personally staying away from Lomax but this is interesting for Norman…

    Waka Flocka Flame
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    “He’s a fierce competitor, Zac; he wants to be involved in absolutely everything,” Ben Hunt said. “He tops our k’s every week at training, but he’s really hungry to learn and I think he’s got the ability to be a good fullback, but it’s just going to take a bit of time. “He always wants to fly into everything and he’s a young kid so he’s bouncing around all over the place. “He’s probably trying to do too much where he just needs to settle and get a hang of where he needs to be.” https://www.foxsports.com.au/nrl/nrl-premiership/teams/dragons/flanno-shep-and-less-sweeping-plays-inside-the-dragons-real-big-shakeup/news-story/d18fc4a526f372a6e6b15fa8e8cd081b That’s certainly positive if… Read more »

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    And sorta not so good being schooled not to. But i’m still on him.Its better to be over the top than a wallflower

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    https://www.foxsports.com.au/nrl/nrl-premiership/teams/broncos/anthony-seibold-reveals-why-jack-bird-will-make-broncos-comeback-at-fullback-and-may-stay-there/news-story/89d01d831b476e252a34f63dcd0b6bff

    Seibold told the Broncos website. “I have spoken to Jamayne Isaako (about it). He’s spent a lot of time at fullback and also Birdy (in pre-season).

    “At the back end of the pre-season we saw some bits and pieces of Birdy that I thought were really well suited for him to give a good account of himself in that position.”

    “It’s a starting point for him coming back from a long-term injury but he has looked good especially from an attacking point of view, but he has also got a good understanding of footy defensively as well.

    OnTheBus
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    it kinda makes sense , it strengthen’s the right side staggs isaako, means boyd and oates on the other side . otherwise staggs ends up on the bench and a rookie winger comes in.

    Occy
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    That will be the issue….Boyd probably gets LHS centre spot if the cards fall this way.

    Staggs will be RHS.

    BillyAbelaLFC
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    I have been thinking about grabbing bird ever since he got injured last season as a undervalued pick this year. Without the comical dropped balls would have hit a 65 average all while being apart of the Broncos side early on that was really under performing and written off for the 8.

    Does FB make him more enticing anyone? More runs with more TB’s?

    TurkeySnow
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    Still returning from an ACL.

    BillyAbelaLFC
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    Good point. Wait and see the logical approach.

    Occy
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    Priced at around 54…. I would want to see how he goes first before pulling the trigger on him

    TurkeySnow
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    I still feel it is all speculation

    Has been so many names thrown out there for flb this off season, and watch once Isakoo tears up 9’s and bird has a mediocre showing at the trial! wink

    Dravid
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    Yeah it’s all speculation… But part of me thinks that Seibold is laying the groundwork. Bird is on too much money to play centre.

    TurkeySnow
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    #breakingnews Dravid Morris gets a release to roosters due to sharks signing boyd! And taking bird back!!

    OnTheBus
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    No from me, he was awesome for me until they decided to change the rule for TBs , lets hope it stays consist this season

    Mr Perfect
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    Another day, another broncos line up speculation article.

    They might as well play on a field of salt rather than just taking a pinch given the frequecy of these haha https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9X1owF1SpUU

    GetThisBread
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    Please no, I’ve got Isaako and Coates…

    BOB
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    I just think Sielbold is making it easier on himself to drop Boyd for rd 3. It will be hard to drop Boyd for a rookie in Coates. A lot easier to drop him for an established star like Bird. Maybe wishful thinking but it’s the only logic I can see to him talking about leaving out Bird or Staggs from the starting 13.

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    Lot of running for a guy coming of a ACL operation …

    Sorry as above

    CoG
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    This is the same coach that thought Boyd and Milf would make good FB”s last year. Stay away

    perrin_07
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    I see alot of talk about the draw and influencing on player choices and curious how we play the game.

    Thumbs up if it’s changing your mind.
    Thumbs down if it doesn’t play much part.

    Mr Perfect
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    Everyone should be taking it into account, since at a minimum you’ll need bye coverage. How much each person provides weight to it in an argument is up to themselves.

    I personally only look into it when deciding between 2 specific players.

    perrin_07
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    Yeah I’m seeing alot of x player has a good draw over x rounds and alot of ” oh I’m not fussed” comments

    OnTheBus
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    it doesn’t play much part , however certain player’s for byes might be considered earlier compared to others.

    Waka Flocka Flame
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    The draw plays a significant part. The problem is, at the start of every season, we only have a vague picture of the strength of one’s draw, so we can only make an educated guess. Take the Titans’ draw for example: @ Raiders v. Eels v. Broncos @ Roosters @ Storm @ Sea Eagles That’s about as tough as you’re going to get, and that must be taken into consideration if you’re picking the likes of Taylor, Brimson, or any of the Titans backs. You either ride with them to start the season, and hope they can hold their value,… Read more »

    OnTheBus
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    he scored 80+ vs storm and 55+ twice vs manly flock , if you are good enough you score well.
    So now all of a sudden its not good to play roosters early in the season?
    they play eels and broncs at home and a raiders team that might not win convincingly first round.

    Anyway just my view and has a full pre season at fullback now that gordon has retired, il ride him until round 15 and save a trade , it will cost me an extra 150k but happy to do that now that crossland has disappeared.

    Waka Flocka Flame
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    And last season he scored: 24 points v. Manly (at fullback, full-80 minutes) 20 points v. Melbourne (at fullback, and then replaced after 55 minutes). And in that game he scored 58 against Manly, he had a try and linebreak, which without them he would’ve scored around 30. And in the game against the Storm when he scored 73, he had a try and two linebreaks, which again, without them he would’ve scored around 30. I don’t think there’s any “good” time to play the Roosters. The point is, that isn’t a favourable draw for a back who nearly completely… Read more »

    OnTheBus
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    Unlike most other players he seems to be the focal point in attack , you keep referring to his base but the fact is he will score tries and make LBs because he isnt a backrower flock . Now you are spending 150K less for walters but he will just shovel the ball and give you 30 in base in 60 mins at best , i rather take the risk on an 80 min player who is the centre of his attacking team. Drinkwater has holmes and morgan to contend with so he is less attractive now, anyway im focussing… Read more »

    Waka Flocka Flame
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    Yes, he will score tries and make linebreaks, but he’s more likely to have those when the circumstances are in his favour, and playing the Raiders, Roosters, Sea Eagles, and Storm, all away, in the initial rounds, aren’t favourable circumstances.

    I remember a week ago when I brought up the Titans early draw, and you were scared off Brimson because of it. Please, don’t act as if anything has changed.

    Now, that’s not to say that he isn’t an option (he’s still an option for me), I’m just highlighting things to be aware of before you go locking him in.

    OnTheBus
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    it did scare me off but going through st helens stats is seems like the fullback threw the last pass a fair few times, anyway il see how the trials go and how he looks before talking him up too much

    rockafella
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    Is that the game we’re newy got spanked by manly ?
    If so 24 was good ..

    Waka Flocka Flame
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    Newy?

    We’re talking about Brimson and the Titans. And I don’t think there’s any time a 24 is good for an 80-minute performance.

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    I think for the moment with uncertainties around key roles and cheapies etc., its less relevant. All that needs to be sorted before a real understanding of draw strength matters.

    But Moses sucks away from Bankwest btw… don’t pick him wink

    Living on the edge
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    Are we talking about who plays the first bye draw or who verses a lot of bottom eight teams draw?

    perrin_07
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    Teams who vs alot of the bottom teams lote

    BillyAbelaLFC
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    I really only pay attention to it for centres guns/rookies and edge rowers guns/rookies and any other position i usually ignore it unless they are a rookie

    Dravid
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    Im not sure you can put too much emphasis on it, mainly cos we don’t know who the bad teams are come round 1 (we only think we do).

    Even a team like the Roosters you could say bad draw, but with them going to the UK, they might have a slow start to the year and early on is a good time to play them.

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    Depends, e.g. Ash Taylor vs others around his price range. I feel the draw is relevant given the quality of teams he will play in the opening rounds. Even more relevant if you are going to be playing him in your 17 which you most likely are if you’re spending $300k+.

    Players that rely on attacking stats I think you need to take previous history and the draw into account.

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    Cheers fellas

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    This may be cognitive bias, but it seems every time I pick a player for a run, it doesn’t work out as well as I’d hoped. I prefer to pick players based on Home games and not who they play (unless it’s the Chooks or Storm). Of course there are exceptions to this, but I’m pretty sure most players average more at home than they do away based on the simple fact that teams usually win more at home versus away.

    rockafella
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    With you on that ..
    I like finding teams who have a good bunch of home games in a row .. say 5/7 and get on ..

    Rowbot89
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    Any Dogs fans have any insight into what Stimsons’ role/minutes might look like this season? Considering going him over Su’a

    fishing elephants
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    Jackson should get 80min on one edge. Then there RFM and CHN

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    Wasn’t there talk of Jackson going to lock?

    fishing elephants
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    Not sure about that perrin . I know they love Adam Elliott

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    Jackson to lock the scrum, Stimson Mr ? hopefully . Got my eyes on both. El Adios likes Jacko as well cool Once again its the bench make up that will decide most of these decisions.

    rockafella
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    RFM our for a bit ..

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    With RFM out of the picture for 6-8 weeks definitely helps his prospects. I think most fans are hoping for him and CHN on an edge with Jackson at lock but Elliot is a work horse at training and they award him accordingly. Expect him to start on the bench and rotate

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    I’m hoping Stimson starts from the bench, and then eventually ends up starting just in time when one of our 2RF peaks in price.

    Better than el adios
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    Adam Elliott was on the radio saying he has been training in the middle and will probably be wearing 13 this year. CHN and Jackson are ahead of Stimson in the 2rf. Don’t think stimson is a round 1 option.

    cookingeggs
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    Broncs & Souths seem to make up 80% of chat. The other 19% split between other clubs. Does anyone have the last 1%? Any news at all/inside scoops or gossip on what’s happening in NZ?

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    – CHT and Niko are in competition for a starting halves spot
    – Milne in contention for a centre spot
    – Curran in contention for a spot in the 17
    – New approach on attack; looking to move the ball more (offloads and close-quarter passes to the edge), rather than playing through the middle. Kearney has spoken about listening to the players, and getting them to have more input.

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    I really want CHT to start so i can pick him up but i don’t want to get Keighran 2.0’d and it would be even worse because CHT isn’t basement price. You would be picking him over another midranger half and wasting a trade to sell.

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    Yeah would pick him over Williams, if he started and also had gk would be great. I feel he is similar to the SJ mould that they miss!

    Deep Thinker
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    It’s not like he could be any worse than Nikorima either

    TurkeySnow
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    After he was dropped for niko he came back real good! Tackling with intent, dominating and then did his wrist! Niko to utility/Hooker cover and cht to start!

    cookingeggs
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    Milne is interesting news. Wonder if he is over the bad past?

    fishing elephants
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    Api (brailey)
    Haas, knight, (Rudolph, utoikamanu)
    Arrow, dfaf, Brown, (Lucy, jwilli, kk)
    Moses, (brooks)
    SJ, (gwilli)
    Burns, Isaako, Best, Milne, (Coates, lele, T Eisenhuth)
    Ponga, (Papi)
    Have fun guys be nice wink

    Mighty tigs
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    I would downgrade brooks to Luai and upgrade a 2rf to lolo.

    Guns N Keepers
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    Any cash leagues or groups that are playing overall not H2H, hit us up or comment on this thread

    Thanks smile

    Ozman
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    Hey mate. Im in a $100 overall group. Been in it for the last 4 years.

    Ill get host to invite you if keen and anyone else?

    Ozman
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    Group code is 623586 for anyone keen to join

    Flasher
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    Thanks mate, just joined.

    Ozman
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    Perfect, are you Shane?

    Flasher
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    That’s me mate.

    Ozman
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    Will you contact Paul re paying on facebook (Paul Yui) or shoot him an email; paulyui77@gmail.com

    Jase3377
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    I’m in mate
    Cheers
    Jason

    Ozman
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    Will you contact Paul re paying on facebook (Paul Yui) or shoot him an email; paulyui77@gmail.com

    kelvin4848
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    Hey Oz any spots left ?

    Ozman
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    Sure are mate. Its a group not a league, so unlimited spots. Use the code above

    Brewster
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    150$ cash league.
    7 spots left

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    hey brewster, just joined the league, how do i forward payment to you!